Club Statement.

Malabus · 19 Mar 2018, 12:42

Regarding the young supporters that were refused entry and turned away on Saturday afternoon.

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RegencyCheltenhamSpa · 19 Mar 2018, 13:02

Not rocket science. Break the rules and muck about and face the consequences.

Well done to the club for taking a strong stance.

19 Mar 2018, 13:14

Quite pathetic really, the atmosphere on Saturday was so poor because the vast majority of people who kick off the singing were given a one game ban. I understand many of them had tickets purchased and hadn't missed for years also.

Johnsons Red Army · 19 Mar 2018, 14:02

If it is the same group of kids that were causing trouble on the train to/from Swindon, then good riddance.

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Shade · 19 Mar 2018, 14:04

Robin wrote:Quite pathetic really, the atmosphere on Saturday was so poor because the vast majority of people who kick off the singing were given a one game ban. I understand many of them had tickets purchased and hadn't missed for years also.

Who cares? If they break the rules and put other people off then they have to deal with the consequences, the same as someone who spends a load of money in a pub that gets barred because he's annoying/abusing the other punters.

RegencyCheltenhamSpa · 19 Mar 2018, 14:07

Robin, maybe the people involved should have thought about that before breaking the rules. It is incredibly easy and simple to create a great noisy and raucous atmosphere without breaking the rules and prompting police enquiries. If people are incapable of passionate support without breaking rules etc then it says more about their mental abilities than the Club.

19 Mar 2018, 14:33

"All the top firms are running scared."

I-Love-CTFC · 19 Mar 2018, 14:48

Yes create a good atmosphere, get behind the team and enjoy yourselves, but respect the rules and other fans around. There's clearly more to it than just behaviour inside the ground.

RegencyCheltenhamSpa · 19 Mar 2018, 15:33

Johnsons Red Army wrote:If it is the same group of kids that were causing trouble on the train to/from Swindon, then good riddance.

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One of the consequences of scrapping National Service I’m afraid. The sense of camaraderie and pride those lads have in their group would be commendable and valuable on exercise, camp and helping with national emergencies, but not so welcome when used negatively on a public train, street, or football terrace.

No surprise that the Nordic, countries, who have National Service, have again been announced by the UN as the happiest nations, taking into safety as one of the indicators.

Malabus · 19 Mar 2018, 15:50

Swedish conscription ended in 2010 and reintroduce back in 2018. Instead of men conscription they have renamed it as gender neutral conscription.

Worlds gone mad.

RegencyCheltenhamSpa · 19 Mar 2018, 16:08

Malabus wrote:Swedish conscription ended in 2010 and reintroduce back in 2018. Instead of men conscription they have renamed it as gender neutral conscription.

Worlds gone mad.

Sweden the only Scandinavian or Nordic country not in the top ten - they should never have ended it.

longmover · 19 Mar 2018, 17:19

made me chuckle that the police went into their schools, more of this is needed, embarrass them in front of their peers.

19 Mar 2018, 18:36

Robin wrote:Quite pathetic really, the atmosphere on Saturday was so poor because the vast majority of people who kick off the singing were given a one game ban. I understand many of them had tickets purchased and hadn't missed for years also.

15 to 17 doubt it's years they have been going. If kids want to spoil the enjoyment for the majority and they are not willing to listen to reason, stop them from coming. Simple really

19 Mar 2018, 18:39

longmover wrote:made me chuckle that the police went into their schools, more of this is needed, embarrass them in front of their peers.

You forgot the word "primary" in front of "schools"! Lol

19 Mar 2018, 19:11

Ralph it's the lot behind the goal with a drum I don't know their exact ages but I'd guess from early teens up to early twenties. They are harmless kids who sing and bounce around a lot behind the goal "ultra" style if anyone seriously takes offence to this then football has gone.

longmover · 19 Mar 2018, 19:18

Robin wrote:Ralph it's the lot behind the goal with a drum I don't know their exact ages but I'd guess from early teens up to early twenties. They are harmless kids who sing and bounce around a lot behind the goal "ultra" style if anyone seriously takes offence to this then football has gone.

Harmless until someone ends up in hospital as a result of their actions, I'm all for atmosphere at football but if they have been warned numerous times then what choice does the club have? These areas of the ground cannot turn into some 'no go' zone for home supporters.

RegencyCheltenhamSpa · 19 Mar 2018, 19:22

Robin wrote:Ralph it's the lot behind the goal with a drum I don't know their exact ages but I'd guess from early teens up to early twenties. They are harmless kids who sing and bounce around a lot behind the goal "ultra" style if anyone seriously takes offence to this then football has gone.

If harmless why are the police investigating etc and how have they fallen foul of rules? Their loss. Maybe now they will realise that laws and rules will be enforced and lose whatever arrogance and selfishness that made them think they are exempt.

Last I heard, banging a drum and passionately supporting your side didn’t break any rules or lead to bans, so they obviously have done something beyond the acceptable. The Club would not turn away paying customers unless it was serious.

Johnsons Red Army · 19 Mar 2018, 19:55

Robin wrote:Ralph it's the lot behind the goal with a drum I don't know their exact ages but I'd guess from early teens up to early twenties. They are harmless kids who sing and bounce around a lot behind the goal "ultra" style if anyone seriously takes offence to this then football has gone.

You clearly weren't on the train back from Swindon when their actions made a few innocent children cry. They also had a police escort back to Cheltenham as a result.

RegencyCheltenhamSpa · 19 Mar 2018, 20:42

Johnsons Red Army wrote:
Robin wrote:Ralph it's the lot behind the goal with a drum I don't know their exact ages but I'd guess from early teens up to early twenties. They are harmless kids who sing and bounce around a lot behind the goal "ultra" style if anyone seriously takes offence to this then football has gone.
You clearly weren't on the train back from Swindon when their actions made a few innocent children cry. They also had a police escort back to Cheltenham as a result.

I am interested to hear Robin try and justify anti-social behaviour on a public train.

19 Mar 2018, 21:44

Some covering their faces in that pic at the train station?. Yep all innocent lol

I-Love-CTFC · 19 Mar 2018, 22:19

The problem is that group seem to think they're the next 'CVF' which is totally cringeworthy.

Jerry St Clair · 19 Mar 2018, 22:40

English football grounds traditionally have an “end” in which traditionally, young boisterous fans have congregated. These ends can be loud, feisty and not for the faint hearted. Overall, I think that’s a healthy thing for the game.

To ban supporters from their end, personally, I would set the misbehaviour bar pretty high. The club statement seems to indicate some pretty low level stuff.

Wherever you set your own bar of tolerance on this behaviour, the bottom line is that you can’t evict these kids from Whaddon Rd AND expect the place to still have an atmosphere. The reality is that football clubs need young, edgy and, yes, possibly slightly annoying fans to generate noise.

Johnsons Red Army · 19 Mar 2018, 22:58

Seems a couple of people are missing the point:

"Unfortunately, if supporters continue to indulge in anti-social or criminal behaviour there are a range of punitive measures which can be implemented ranging from club bans to arrest and prosecution."

The use of the word "continue" suggests that anti-social and/or criminal behaviour has already occurred.

The statement also suggests this is was a bit more than "low level stuff."

RegencyCheltenhamSpa · 20 Mar 2018, 06:53

Jerry St Clair wrote:English football grounds traditionally have an “end” in which traditionally, young boisterous fans have congregated. These ends can be loud, feisty and not for the faint hearted. Overall, I think that’s a healthy thing for the game.

To ban supporters from their end, personally, I would set the misbehaviour bar pretty high. The club statement seems to indicate some pretty low level stuff.

Wherever you set your own bar of tolerance on this behaviour, the bottom line is that you can’t evict these kids from Whaddon Rd AND expect the place to still have an atmosphere. The reality is that football clubs need young, edgy and, yes, possibly slightly annoying fans to generate noise.

The bar of tolerance has to be pretty low for people of right mind to go over the top of it through normal passionate and boisterous support. I am all for 90 mins of crowd surges, being knocked off your feet, banners, drums and songs and not being able to see half the time. I regularly left rock gigs exhausted, sweaty, bruised, sometimes with possessions broken or lost and loved it. No reason why a football match should not be the same.

Unfortunately, the lads involved have been unable to generate such an atmosphere without, to quote the club indulging in “anti-social or criminal behaviour” - which is a shame, as through their behaviour they have denied the law abiding fans the chance to enjoy a feisty and boisterous atmosphere and we all suffer. But you can’t blame the club for this behaviour.

horlickfanclub · 20 Mar 2018, 09:35

Fair summary by Regency.

Jerry St Clair · 20 Mar 2018, 18:30

Fair points RCS.

I guess we don’t know the detail of what they’ve done. Ther term anti-social is horribly subjective. If they’ve been behaving criminally then fair enough (though i’d question why they haven’t been arrested).

RegencyCheltenhamSpa · 20 Mar 2018, 18:38

Jerry St Clair wrote:Fair points RCS.

I guess we don’t know the detail of what they’ve done. Ther term anti-social is horribly subjective. If they’ve been behaving criminally then fair enough (though i’d question why they haven’t been arrested).

Statement does say the Club are helping police with their investigation and enquiries.

I guess if it it is mob behaviour on the streets or trains then the police have to work carefully to ascertain which kids in the gang did the deeds in question and which just hung back and watched.

Shade · 21 Mar 2018, 12:21

Were they involved in the unpleasant chanting at Swindon? From the sound of it they've been repeatedly breaking stadium safety rules by blocking gangways, and climbing on things, and continuing to do this after being asked not to for their own and others safety. If you repeatedly do something in somebody else's house after you've been asked not to, then it's only to be expected when you get told not to come back.