I suggest Paul Baker reads this

[C.V]

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You are making a big mistake and you will be left with egg all over your face never ever bleat about attendances again.Dont forget there are three home games in November a fine way to treat your customers ( they aren't seen as fans)

[RegencyCheltenhamSpa]

Ian Randall highlights something no one had thought of. Which could be a masterstroke of business from the board and Paul Baker.

We only keep half (or is it 45%) of the gate money.

Putting the price up puts people off this game and they may choose one of the big league games vs Oxford or Wycombe instead.

Where we keep all the money.

Financially, we would be better off with a 3,000 crowd for the league match than we would with over 5,000 for the cup match.

If people are going to choose only one or two games in November then we don't want them to choose the cup game.

In fact, anything we do make in the cup is an unbudgeted bonus so if putting up prices brings in a bonus and maintains a higher gate for the league games we are quids in.

[C.V]

Are'nt those two games also premium games as well ??

[mattyboi]

I suggest you don't criticise the chairman/board in January then when we have no money to strengthen the squad. Some people on here think PB has no ambition, what do you want him to do? Spend and invest money we don't have?? Been there, done that and nearly didn't have a club as the end result. We've dropped prices before and it hasn't worked!!

[RegencyCheltenhamSpa]

Are'nt those two games also premium games as well ??

Yes, precisely the point CV. People can't afford three premium games in a month. They may only choose one or two. We don't want that one to be the cup game, so it has to be at least the same price to put people off choosing that. If the game was cheaper, like the City game, people would attend that and not another premium game.

[Si Robin]

You make a good point RCS, apart from the fact that a lot who won't be attending will be ST holders. People who won't be paying the premium prices for the League games.

[C.V]

He also forgets Paul Baker has said the money generated from the FA cup is crucial to our cash flow and that money would enable Yates to strengthen in January.If we go with your plan there wont be said funds

[RegencyCheltenhamSpa]

Yes indeed Si. But their money is in the bank already. And any which do attend will be a bonus. Better to accept a hit on bonus revenue shared with Swindon and maximise revenue from the league games.

If we rely on cup money to survive then we are in trouble no matter how much we charge. We will get some cash and potential prize and highlights money.

As important as cup revenue is, if it actually reduces league game revenue then it's not so smart is it.

[CheltRobin]

Mattyboi - Agree with you. Another Premium Match so soon after the Cobblers match was not the best timing, but what are the club to do? With attendance figures down this season, the club have to try and make up the shortfall somehow.

The only other alternative to raise the missing funds is to raise match prices by £1 for everybody in all areas of the ground - unless fans start returning by 400/500.

[bigdavejambo]

fans cant afford 4 home games a month thesedays. They cant rely on away support as York will take 150 tops of which most will attend looking for a fight, Wycombe wont take many more and Oxford will take around 700 tops. Its a big gamble by PB and I await the poverty pleas in the Echo after xmas when the purse is empty.

[Nesty]

I suggest you don't criticise the chairman/board in January then when we have no money to strengthen the squad. Some people on here think PB has no ambition, what do you want him to do? Spend and invest money we don't have?? Been there, done that and nearly didn't have a club as the end result. We've dropped prices before and it hasn't worked!!

I am confused mattyboi - I dont think you grasp what people are saying - putting the price up will potentially lower the gate - especially with 3 premium games in november - In more affluent times I think people would understand having to pay an extra £2 to try and make more money but times are tough

[joes dad]

Yes indeed Si. But their money is in the bank already. And any which do attend will be a bonus. Better to accept a hit on bonus revenue shared with Swindon and maximise revenue from the league games.

If we rely on cup money to survive then we are in trouble no matter how much we charge. We will get some cash and potential prize and highlights money.

As important as cup revenue is, if it actually reduces league game revenue then it's not so smart is it.

2 Excellent posts RCS,I never thought of it like that,good stuff.

[CheltRobin]

CV - PB said that there would be NO funds for extra players in Jan, unless we have a mssive R3 match. Any extra monies from Cup matches will be used to fill the hole created by the missing ST Holders over the summer

[C.V]

I give up honestley.Dont you think it would be more productive to entice as many home fans as possible to get behind the team and hopefully push on and get to round three,or have you already thrown the towel in and are giving the game to Swindon.

[tunnelvision]

Personally, I just don't like the principle of 'Premium' games. When I arrive at the ground I expect the price to be the same as the last game, unless there is a general increase in prices for the remainder of the season. In my case, it's not about affordability, but I realise that for many it may be.

I hadn't realised that the Northampton game would be a premium game and thought twice about turning round and going home. Glad I didn't! However, from my point of view, I don't see many of these games as 'Premium' games, just games where there is likely to be a larger away support. If I'm going to miss any games, then it's most likely going to be a 'Premium' game.

I realise that the club needs to maximise revenue, but as a former season ticket holder, I feel that actions like this just serve to alienate supporters from the club. I can see though, that cup games may be the exception to this, especially when the opposition is from a higher league.

[CheltRobin]

Definately not, just saying what PB said - there seems to be no money to improve the squad unless we have a mega run. I actually DO think we have a decent chance at home of causing an upset.

I hope to see Chelt in the R2 draw at least, as I miss the Swindon match as I will be in Marbella. I will cheering the lads on on-line with a nice cold beer sitting on my apartment balcony.

C'mon Glos Robins!

[I-Love-CTFC]

84% say the price is too high. That speaks volumes. http://www.gloucestershireecho.co.uk/poll.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[confused.com]

Ian Randall highlights something no one had thought of. Which could be a masterstroke of business from the board and Paul Baker.

We only keep half (or is it 45%) of the gate money.

Putting the price up puts people off this game and they may choose one of the big league games vs Oxford or Wycombe instead.

Where we keep all the money.

Financially, we would be better off with a 3,000 crowd for the league match than we would with over 5,000 for the cup match.

If people are going to choose only one or two games in November then we don't want them to choose the cup game.

In fact, anything we do make in the cup is an unbudgeted bonus so if putting up prices brings in a bonus and maintains a higher gate for the league games we are quids in.

exactly

[cheltsaxon]

I'm pretty sure when the draw was announced paul baker did not think I know I'll put this as a premium that way more will come to the league games all he saw was big money signs as usual!! For all you paul baker fans I can assure you now he has down we'll off running this club there's no way with the success we've had he is in the red!! If he won't spend and give this chance a club of progressing then give up the ownership!!

[mattyboi]

I suggest you don't criticise the chairman/board in January then when we have no money to strengthen the squad. Some people on here think PB has no ambition, what do you want him to do? Spend and invest money we don't have?? Been there, done that and nearly didn't have a club as the end result. We've dropped prices before and it hasn't worked!!

I am confused mattyboi - I dont think you grasp what people are saying - putting the price up will potentially lower the gate - especially with 3 premium games in november - In more affluent times I think people would understand having to pay an extra £2 to try and make more money but times are tough

And a lot of people on here can't grasp the point that dropping the price does not increase revenue. If swindon bring 1500-1800 which PB is anticipating they will do, his plan has worked. If he had dropped the price to £15 for a seat, would an extra 500 CTFC fans turned up, NO, it's been done before, it hasn't worked.

[CheltRobin]

Cheltsaxon - You say that PB has done very well from being Chairman of Chelt - Do you have any specific fis the exceptiongures to back up your statement?

Very few FL Chairmen ever come out of running their clubs with any kind of profit, what makes u think PB is the exception?

[CheltRobin]

Oops, that should've read "Do u have any specific figures to back up your statement?"

[cheltsaxon]

The fact he has never forked out despite cup runs promotions player sales etc etc

[cheltsaxon]

He's a businessman with millions in the bank for a reason he doesn't take risks

[CheltRobin]

PB has forked out many many transfer fees since his tenure as Chairman. Others on here will prob know the exact figures, but I reckon it's at least 12-15..

[51/84]

PB has forked out many many transfer fees since his tenure as Chairman. Others on here will prob know the exact figures, but I reckon it's at least 12-15..

Perhaps you can tell us who and how much then Cheltrobin
PB often say that private investors not the club pay the fees rec I always thought he was talking about himself but apparently others pay signing on fees etc and not the club or Mr baker

[CheltRobin]

I've no idea 51/84. What I meant was that with PB at the helm the club has paid many transfer fees, whereas Cheltsaxon seems to think the opposite.

[Darren Angels budgie]

Congratulations Cheltsaxon. It took some doing but you have only gone and done it. The most ridiculous post I have ever seen on here.

[paperboy]

Congratulations Cheltsaxon. It took some doing but you have only gone and done it. The most ridiculous post I have ever seen on here.

My god,when PB reads Cheltenham Saxon's post he'll do well to resist commenting.
I would suggest that without PBs deep pockets a few years back we might still be non-league and SC would not be manager of Bristol City.

[cheltsaxon]

A chairman doesn't bankroll a club the board and investors do

[paperboy]

A chairman doesn't bankroll a club the board and investors do

Oh I see-and there was me thinking that Abramovich bankrolled Chelsea by himself.

[RegencyCheltenhamSpa]

We must not spend money we don't have.

I would rather CTFC was still a League team in a healthy state in 30 years time than believe in
a hair brained scheme that charging £15 quid in a one off cup game we can only keep half the money for will fund a 30 goal striker in January.

The problem isn't with CTFC or Paul Baker. It's the state of football in general. The best thing people can do to help is cancel sky and bt sports and not watch football in the pub and watch CTFC instead.

As long as any supporter of CTFC pays money to sky and bt and thus the premier league they have no grounds to complain about CTFC prices.

[cheltsaxon]

Quite right that's because he owns them aswell as being chairman! I suggest you look up what the rial of chairman actually is, it isn't to bankroll clubs! That's left to owners and the board which of course baker is the owner and the board.

[RegencyCheltenhamSpa]

Paul Baker is also a fan of CTFC.

Put it this way. Rather than a fan who sits at home speculating about finances and using guess work as a basis for moaning, he is a fan with full access to our books, projections and revenue streams and trends to make the best evidence based decisions for the club he supports.

[confused.com]

You make a good point RCS, apart from the fact that a lot who won't be attending will be ST holders. People who won't be paying the premium prices for the League games.

Si - How can you possibly know this ???? Please don't stray from your usual sane posts, to posting a comment that you have no way of verifying or even knowing