coronovirus

[Ihearye]

Never ceases to amaze, that no matter the situation. A certain section of the population see it as an opportunity to play the political blame game.
If you take steps then you have to know when these can be stopped. When asked that, those with an alternative view, shrug their shoulders. So we turn to the stoneage for how long? How many deaths a day or acceptable before we can return to normality?

[itsallbollox]

I'm termed as termly ill and very high risk of contracting COVID. I'm as of today putting myself into self quarantine. tbh I'm more pissed off about there being no sport and most of all CTFC's best season for a while and i might not be able to see them finish it off. I'm 66 and been a season ticket holder for more years than I care to remember and had the same seat in the Colin Farmer stand since it was built. I hope and pray I get to see us finish the season and God willing I can get to see next season to. COYR

[RegencyCheltenhamSpa]

Well looks like are medical experts are going to recommend the same action everyone else is doing after all. Plans for bars, pubs and restaurants after the ban on gatherings comes in to force, forced isolation/quarantine for those aged 70+, lock down of cities not ruled out, etc

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-14/eld ... ronavirus/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Nesty]

I still cannot believe the lack of consistency - yet another race meeting yesterday.

[ThelmaChen]

My wife is being treated for leukemia and as such has no immunity. I am approaching 70 so come into the danger group of ages. I feel that my season is over anyway. I just cannot risk taking the virus home.

Sorry to hear this and I wish you both well. Look after yourselves. I have an elderly relative who is going into lockdown with another, younger, family relative. The rest of us will be doing their shopping and dropping it off for them. I hope you can arrange something similar.

Thank you for your concern.
We are very lucky to have family to care for us if needed.
I have 5 days before I am 70 and probable lockdown, so I am off to B & Q to get some decorating stuff to keep me occupied.

[ctfc-fan]

Well looks like are medical experts are going to recommend the same action everyone else is doing after all. Plans for bars, pubs and restaurants after the ban on gatherings comes in to force, forced isolation/quarantine for those aged 70+, lock down of cities not ruled out, etc

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-14/eld ... ronavirus/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They’ve never said it won’t happen but it’s a better of timing Professor Crackchat.

[Ihearye]

Well looks like are medical experts are going to recommend the same action everyone else is doing after all. Plans for bars, pubs and restaurants after the ban on gatherings comes in to force, forced isolation/quarantine for those aged 70+, lock down of cities not ruled out, etc

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-14/eld ... ronavirus/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They’ve never said it won’t happen but it’s a better of timing Professor Crackchat.

exactly! some people only hear what they want to hear and look to make an issue out of everything. People are constantly running computer simulations of virus spread. They then advise as to what and more importanly when, certain actions should take place. However, some look to politicise and are 100% certain that actions taken by others are correct.
What is right is not always popular and what is popular is not always right

[RegencyCheltenhamSpa]

Well looks like are medical experts are going to recommend the same action everyone else is doing after all. Plans for bars, pubs and restaurants after the ban on gatherings comes in to force, forced isolation/quarantine for those aged 70+, lock down of cities not ruled out, etc

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-14/eld ... ronavirus/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They’ve never said it won’t happen but it’s a better of timing Professor Crackchat.

It was only earlier this week they said there was no plans at all to do any of this stuff. Now they say they have been thinking about it for some time.

I would personally rather they say that yes they said last week that they have been scenario planning, it is a case of timing, but such lockdowns may happen but not this week. Personally I think that is more useful and inspires more confidence than ruling something out in the morning and then ruling it in come the evening.

So yes, I agree with you and ihearye re the policy being pursued, but it could have been communicated better.

People need information to make decisions. Someone may be thinking about visiting another city, or attending a work meeting in another city, and booking a hotel and restaurant in two weeks time. Advising that there may be a chance these venues will be shut or travel restricted is more helpful to that person to weight up the risk compared to saying repeatedly there are no plans to restrict anything before doing so at short notice.

[ctfc-fan]

People are clearly making their own decisions based on their thinking that the world is going to end. There are so many armchair scientists and professors popped up overnight that it doesn’t matter what the government say or do.

This then isn’t helped by the football authorities and the like making their own decisions which goes against official advice and can end up screwing the whole plan up.

I’ve seen people saying they’re taking their kids out of school from now on but I can guarantee you that those children will be socialising with others whether it be at home, McDonald’s, cinema etc.

The government advice could end up not being the right advice but firstly no one yet knows enough about this virus to make a fully informed decision and all decisions are being made on the information known at the time and it has to change all the time.

Secondly, if a different government had been in power then they might have made a different plan and that could have ended up being wrong or worse.

At the end of the day there is no right or wrong answer to this whole situation and we have to trust those medical and scientific experts who are advising. It’s the biggest moment of their lives too.

[Robin]

Looks like the Premier League are going to announce on Thursday that the current season will end with immediate effect.

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Seems drastic and unnecessary unless they are trying to appease UEFA to allow the Euros to be played. I still cannot understand why we cannot close out the season later and simply delay the next one.

[asl]

While nobody would begrudge Liverpool being crowned, what about the teams facing relegation? What if the third-from-bottom team have the likes of Brighton, Palace, Norwich, etc, left to play while the team just above them have to play all of the top six? There were law suits when Sheffield United got relegated because West Ham "signed" Tevez and Mascherano and stayed up all those years ago.

[Ihearye]

Looks like the Premier League are going to announce on Thursday that the current season will end with immediate effect.

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Seems drastic and unnecessary unless they are trying to appease UEFA to allow the Euros to be played. I still cannot understand why we cannot close out the season later and simply delay the next one.

Still think you are in cloud cuckoo land. Given the view that once schools do close, they will be closed for approx 16 weeks. There is no way the Euros will be played. Not in UK anyway.

[RegencyCheltenhamSpa]

UEFA meeting on Tuesday re Euro 2020.

Likely to be postponed to 2021.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... ext-summer" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Alf]

Serious lack of joined up policies and communication. Racing events where tens of thousands are present go ahead, whilst football events of less than ten thousand are postponed. Distinct lack of consistency.

[asl]

Badminton All-England in Birmingham this last week, too. The new men's singles champion has just thrown his sweaty shirt into the crowd to celebrate...

[ctfc-fan]

It’s all ok though as Wayne Rooney is now a specialist in diseases

[andgarod]

I am just glad that the posters on here are not making the decisions

I hope the club and as many supporters survive this as possible
Stay safe

[andgarod]

I am just glad that the posters on here are not making the decisions

I hope the club and as many supporters survive this as possible
Stay safe

[Ihearye]

Think you can bet your bottom dollar the vast majority will. Sadly they will be eating spag bol for the next 10 years but hey ho

[Ihearye]

Serious lack of joined up policies and communication. Racing events where tens of thousands are present go ahead, whilst football events of less than ten thousand are postponed. Distinct lack of consistency.

There is no lack of consistency. The football authorities have taken it upon themselves (against advice), to stop football. Which we won't therefore see being played, for many months.
Racing events have by and large taken heed of the advice and continued. To expect racing to stop, just because football has decided to unilaterally pull up the drawbridges. Is something to McDonalds closing because Burger King said they intended to.
The policy is what it is at the moment. Football has decided to ignore it. What part of that is hard to grasp? If Simpsons closed, would you expect Tescos to follow, for no reason ?

[Alf]

Serious lack of joined up policies and communication. Racing events where tens of thousands are present go ahead, whilst football events of less than ten thousand are postponed. Distinct lack of consistency.

There is no lack of consistency. The football authorities have taken it upon themselves (against advice), to stop football. Which we won't therefore see being played, for many months.
Racing events have by and large taken heed of the advice and continued. To expect racing to stop, just because football has decided to unilaterally pull up the drawbridges. Is something to McDonalds closing because Burger King said they intended to.
The policy is what it is at the moment. Football has decided to ignore it. What part of that is hard to grasp? If Simpsons closed, would you expect Tescos to follow, for no reason ?

People have to eat. They don’t have to go to football or racing to exist!
It’s not realistic that supermarkets will close or be closed for that very reason.
You say there’s no lack of consistency and then say football has stopped but racing goes ahead. Is that not a lack of consistency?
Something as important as this should not be left to members of the public who have a vested financial interest in such events.
I admire the FA/EFL etc; for having the balls to make this decision, much as I’m going to miss my football.

[Ihearye]

Jeez what part is so hard to understand. The advisors to the government have advised what to do. Horse racing has accepted that and gone ahead. On the otherhand football has decided to do their own thing and close. They have gone against the consistent afvice. There has been consistency. Likke it or not. My analogy re simpsons and tescos was to demonstrate this. Two similar businesses, both told stay open. So if simpsons closed should they all close? Advice is consistent the government have not stopped anything

[asl]

Economists consistently advised that Brexit was a fookin' stupid idea, and yet....

[Ihearye]

Economists consistently advised that Brexit was a fookin' stupid idea, and yet....

Jesus wept and there was an election. What in God's name is the relevance???? Think you have lost it

[Robin]

Letting the racing go ahead could be catastrophic for our local community. I may be cynical but it feels they put the money ahead of safety there were football board put spectators and players first.

On a different note with the season now suspended until 4th April will be there some sort of financial help from prem teams to lower league sides? 3 weeks without a game will cripple clubs like Oldham/Macclesfield who we know are both on the brink as it is.

[King giraffe iii]

My wife is being treated for leukemia and as such has no immunity. I am approaching 70 so come into the danger group of ages. I feel that my season is over anyway. I just cannot risk taking the virus home.

Sorry to hear this and I wish you both well. Look after yourselves. I have an elderly relative who is going into lockdown with another, younger, family relative. The rest of us will be doing their shopping and dropping it off for them. I hope you can arrange something similar.

Thank you for your concern.
We are very lucky to have family to care for us if needed.
I have 5 days before I am 70 and probable lockdown, so I am off to B & Q to get some decorating stuff to keep me occupied.

No worries, I hope you're okay.

It will be interesting to see how the macho bluster of certain people on local football club forums changes once things start to get real.

[RegencyCheltenhamSpa]

Seems like Ministers are also getting fed up of the endless mixed messaging and U-turns.

“The proposed reorganisation of the government’s communications strategy came after ministers admitted even that they were “confused” by health secretary Matt Hancock’s decision to distance the government from the so-called “herd immunity” strategy that was discussed by chief scientific adviser Patrick Vallance and senior Boris Johnson aides last week.

On Friday, Vallance told the BBC’s Radio 4 Today programme: “Our aim is to try and reduce the peak, broaden the peak, not suppress it completely; also, because the vast majority of people get a mild illness, to build up some kind of herd immunity so more people are immune to this disease and we reduce the transmission.”

But on Sunday, following widespread criticism of the herd immunity theory, Hancock appeared to contradict Vallance and Johnson’s senior aides, insisting: “Herd immunity is not our goal or policy”.

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[Ihearye]

As I said before, it amazes me how people can make a political football out of anything.
You either stick by a strategy of delay or follow the 'herd'. As and when more information comes in on the virus from other countries. The nuances of the strategy are obviously going to be honed.
It beggars belief that all of a sudden, people have all become experts in virus spread simulations. Are obviously getting the medical data from the likes of Italy and Spain, upon which to base their rantings. Not only that, they know how to interpret that data, but how to make decisions that will impact the spread of the virus.

@ Robin, of course there is a financial aspect. Just as it is financial to not close every workplace. Surely the difference is, the same policy is being applied to all sports. If some have chosen to take one path, then that is their choice. I only hope come July when we haven’t had a penny come into the club, that those who told us to close down last week are going to put their hands in their pockets and provide compensation. As things look at the minute, we could have had most of the season played out before we were told to shut down.

As for the herd immunisation. Is it not possible that a policy of delay and flattening out the curve, will have as a by-product, the wider immunisation of the herd? Without it being the direct policy? People should stop speculating and scrutinising every sentence that is uttered. Either that or maybe, cut themselves off from the rest of civilisation and do not leave your house for a year. Stone age here we come!! These people giving the country advise, are top of their own fields. With teams behind them doing nothing all day but crunch the data coming in from the rest of the world. Then seeing how that can be applied to our current policy. I would suggest, they are in a better place to advise than the hacks who work for our rags. Or Mrs Smith form Weston who has had a cold for a week, but has been refused a ventilator by the NHS

[Ihearye]

Sorry to hear this and I wish you both well. Look after yourselves. I have an elderly relative who is going into lockdown with another, younger, family relative. The rest of us will be doing their shopping and dropping it off for them. I hope you can arrange something similar.[/quote]


Thank you for your concern.
We are very lucky to have family to care for us if needed.
I have 5 days before I am 70 and probable lockdown, so I am off to B & Q to get some decorating stuff to keep me occupied. [/quote]

No worries, I hope you're okay.

It will be interesting to see how the macho bluster of certain people on local football club forums changes once things start to get real.[/quote]
Anyone that does not think things will get a lot worse, has obviously not been listening. Just good that we have Wayne Rooney to steer us through these dark days. No better man

[asl]

The thing is, I think the UK are taking a radically different approach to handling this crisis than pretty much any other country. Everyone else seems to be looking at us as if we're barking mad. Maybe our scientists are right and everyone else is wrong: time will tell.

There's a really interesting piece on the modelling of "how to flatten the curve" in the Washington Post here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... simulator/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[asl]

I hear Chuck Norris has tested positive for Corvid-19.

The virus is now in quarantine for a fortnight.

[King giraffe iii]

As I said before, it amazes me how people can make a political football out of anything.
You either stick by a strategy of delay or follow the 'herd'. As and when more information comes in on the virus from other countries. The nuances of the strategy are obviously going to be honed.
It beggars belief that all of a sudden, people have all become experts in virus spread simulations. Are obviously getting the medical data from the likes of Italy and Spain, upon which to base their rantings. Not only that, they know how to interpret that data, but how to make decisions that will impact the spread of the virus.

@ Robin, of course there is a financial aspect. Just as it is financial to not close every workplace. Surely the difference is, the same policy is being applied to all sports. If some have chosen to take one path, then that is their choice. I only hope come July when we haven’t had a penny come into the club, that those who told us to close down last week are going to put their hands in their pockets and provide compensation. As things look at the minute, we could have had most of the season played out before we were told to shut down.

As for the herd immunisation. Is it not possible that a policy of delay and flattening out the curve, will have as a by-product, the wider immunisation of the herd? Without it being the direct policy? People should stop speculating and scrutinising every sentence that is uttered. Either that or maybe, cut themselves off from the rest of civilisation and do not leave your house for a year. Stone age here we come!! These people giving the country advise, are top of their own fields. With teams behind them doing nothing all day but crunch the data coming in from the rest of the world. Then seeing how that can be applied to our current policy. I would suggest, they are in a better place to advise than the hacks who work for our rags. Or Mrs Smith form Weston who has had a cold for a week, but has been refused a ventilator by the NHS

Stone age? It was the iron age a day or so ago. I've yet to see the rest of western Europe lose all of its technology. By your own reasoning you seem to have become an expert yourself knowing what's best for everyone. Perhaps you should ask why people such as myself don't trust a government led by an individual who is a proven liar and whose approach seems based on blustering and oafish bumbling.

At the moment we just don't know about the herd immunity. The government are taking a massive gamble here and their lackadaisical approach to testing (and then whipping people out of the community, together with tracing those people who they've been in close contact with) seems at odds with the WHO. I guess the WHO and the rest of the world only employs scientific advisors who are completely unqualified?

They are gambling with lives. Clearly that's acceptable from your perspective. The lack of testing stinks to me of a government that is (a) clueless and/or (b) cooking the figures for its own benefit.

This government - and I would criticise any government following the path Bozo and his crew have taken - is sat on its hands and so far, beyond NHS mobilisation, has done nothing but tell everyone to wash their hands more. Take schools - there seems this idea in government circles that these places somehow run without adult intervention. Who is going to staff them when we've all taken receipt of the children's germs? Never mind those children who pick the virus up at school and then go home to infect their parents. All it needs is one irresponsible family to send their sick child into school. And it will happen. But it doesn't matter because children don't get the virus bad. What about granny or dad who has a lowered immune system because of other illness or therapy?

I could go on but I won't. You get the idea. Stiff upper lip, bluster, inaction and blind faith may be right for you. That's cool. Me, I wouldn't trust Bozo and his cronies as far as I can throw them.

As for Wayne Rooney, what's your point? Given I've no idea what his view is on things I'm guessing you're playing the guilt through a similar idea card.

[King giraffe iii]

The thing is, I think the UK are taking a radically different approach to handling this crisis than pretty much any other country. Everyone else seems to be looking at us as if we're barking mad. Maybe our scientists are right and everyone else is wrong: time will tell.

There's a really interesting piece on the modelling of "how to flatten the curve" in the Washington Post here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... simulator/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Time will tell and people will die needlessly. The government's lack of action is akin to an experiment in Social Darwinism at present. The model this country is following is the one of inaction, as per the first model in that piece. Doesn't look good, does it? Still, we must keep calm and carry on, mustn't grumble, think of how great it was during the Blitz, admire the queen for clearing off whilst nothing has been said to the rest of the elderly population...and throw all of our faith behind our esteemed, trustworthy, Churchillian hero.

I'm not jibing at you asl, but the numpty in No 10 and his band of do-nothings.

[Ihearye]

As I said before, it amazes me how people can make a political football out of anything.
You either stick by a strategy of delay or follow the 'herd'. As and when more information comes in on the virus from other countries. The nuances of the strategy are obviously going to be honed.
It beggars belief that all of a sudden, people have all become experts in virus spread simulations. Are obviously getting the medical data from the likes of Italy and Spain, upon which to base their rantings. Not only that, they know how to interpret that data, but how to make decisions that will impact the spread of the virus.

@ Robin, of course there is a financial aspect. Just as it is financial to not close every workplace. Surely the difference is, the same policy is being applied to all sports. If some have chosen to take one path, then that is their choice. I only hope come July when we haven’t had a penny come into the club, that those who told us to close down last week are going to put their hands in their pockets and provide compensation. As things look at the minute, we could have had most of the season played out before we were told to shut down.

As for the herd immunisation. Is it not possible that a policy of delay and flattening out the curve, will have as a by-product, the wider immunisation of the herd? Without it being the direct policy? People should stop speculating and scrutinising every sentence that is uttered. Either that or maybe, cut themselves off from the rest of civilisation and do not leave your house for a year. Stone age here we come!! These people giving the country advise, are top of their own fields. With teams behind them doing nothing all day but crunch the data coming in from the rest of the world. Then seeing how that can be applied to our current policy. I would suggest, they are in a better place to advise than the hacks who work for our rags. Or Mrs Smith form Weston who has had a cold for a week, but has been refused a ventilator by the NHS

Stone age? It was the iron age a day or so ago. I've yet to see the rest of western Europe lose all of its technology. By your own reasoning you seem to have become an expert yourself knowing what's best for everyone. Perhaps you should ask why people such as myself don't trust a government led by an individual who is a proven liar and whose approach seems based on blustering and oafish bumbling.

At the moment we just don't know about the herd immunity. The government are taking a massive gamble here and their lackadaisical approach to testing (and then whipping people out of the community, together with tracing those people who they've been in close contact with) seems at odds with the WHO. I guess the WHO and the rest of the world only employs scientific advisors who are completely unqualified?

They are gambling with lives. Clearly that's acceptable from your perspective. The lack of testing stinks to me of a government that is (a) clueless and/or (b) cooking the figures for its own benefit.

This government - and I would criticise any government following the path Bozo and his crew have taken - is sat on its hands and so far, beyond NHS mobilisation, has done nothing but tell everyone to wash their hands more. Take schools - there seems this idea in government circles that these places somehow run without adult intervention. Who is going to staff them when we've all taken receipt of the children's germs? Never mind those children who pick the virus up at school and then go home to infect their parents. All it needs is one irresponsible family to send their sick child into school. And it will happen. But it doesn't matter because children don't get the virus bad. What about granny or dad who has a lowered immune system because of other illness or therapy?

I could go on but I won't. You get the idea. Stiff upper lip, bluster, inaction and blind faith may be right for you. That's cool. Me, I wouldn't trust Bozo and his cronies as far as I can throw them.

As for Wayne Rooney, what's your point? Given I've no idea what his view is on things I'm guessing you're playing the guilt through a similar idea card.

To be perfectly honest with, I stopped reading once you started the old political football thing. This is much to serious for descending to that level of immaturity. You have an agenda, I get it. no more to be said

[asl]

A colleague at work had an email from his daughter's secondary school in Bagshot last night saying that they have had two confirmed case within the school but the DfE have "strongly advised" that they remain open. Like I say, time will tell whether it's the UK advisors or everyone else that's wrong.