Cheltenham Town v Bromley

[Robin]

If we sell Archer in January it would be utter madness.

The board have proved time and time again....the art of the deal aludes them!!

For what it's worth, I don't see Archer going in January. Clubs buy players to push on in January, whilst he's ripe for Peterborough, I don't see them buying him to take them up - they'll get him in the summer to get him fully integrated into the team.

I agree I don't see him leaving but I can see him being sold unless we stay in the FA Cup and get a plum third round draw.

Following the Rotherham game MF alluded to players possibly being sold but loaned back, and I could see this happening although it would cause issues with the number of loan options we have.

I'd be shocked if a couple of the current loans are not sent back Shipley, Laing and Norkett won't get much game time once we exit the pizza cup. If we are lucky we can make Stubbs permanent if we get past Salford and if we are unlucky he or Colwell leave in Jan for moves elsewhere.

[Robin]

Obviously a disappointing result having played 11 v 10 for over an hour and taking the lead. Felt we played into their hands with far too many high balls upto Miller who whilst game and never gave up was on to a loser against their giant defenders.

When we looked dangerous was when we got it on the floor and played with a bit of pace, the goal came from a passage of play like this but we didn't do it enough

Hopefully we learn and move on and on the plus side another game unbeaten.

Massive gap between midfield and Miller they aren`t mobile enough to get up and down the pitch,we need some legs in there ?

Colwill was pushing right up behind the front three until the goal then when he went off we lost that and allowed their two midfielders all the time they wanted as Kinsella and Young just sat deep.

[Warwickshire Robin]

Just remembered one mad incident from yesterday. It was late on when we were pushing for a winner, they had a lad go off after getting treatment and the officials let him come on just as Archer I think it was took a pass about 3 yards away from him and he nipped in front and started a breakaway! Could have been catastrophic for us and an amazing decision

In saying that I thought the officials were generally OK yesterday.

[HamTown]

For what it's worth, I don't see Archer going in January. Clubs buy players to push on in January, whilst he's ripe for Peterborough, I don't see them buying him to take them up - they'll get him in the summer to get him fully integrated into the team.

I agree I don't see him leaving but I can see him being sold unless we stay in the FA Cup and get a plum third round draw.

Following the Rotherham game MF alluded to players possibly being sold but loaned back, and I could see this happening although it would cause issues with the number of loan options we have.

I'd be shocked if a couple of the current loans are not sent back Shipley, Laing and Norkett won't get much game time once we exit the pizza cup. If we are lucky we can make Stubbs permanent if we get past Salford and if we are unlucky he or Colwell leave in Jan for moves elsewhere.

Would much rather see Norkett brought on for Miller than Bowman, much more similar players.

As for Bowman's miss being a moot point, maybe so to the final score but further convinces me he's impersonating being a professional footballer

[Robin]

I thought they big lumps Bromley had were better than Bowman which is odd as I don't think either has played football league before and both are likely on considerably less wages. Cheek had great link play and the ball would stick to him.

[paperboy]

All signings are a gamble but if only Flynny had listened to Gary and taken Aaron Jarvis heh
Archer, Jude Boyd and Jarvis- The three musketeers.

Another big non league (mega ) lump who'd be a gamble is Effiong now at Braintree who is very effective.

[CTFC.Harry]

The black lump was Sowumni. Played plenty for Yeovil when they were less s#!t, and Colchester (received a red card against us in our last away game before lockdown). Proper effective L2, horrible b#!#%#d.

We weren't bad, as many have said, the tactics were poor and I think making three substitutions disrupted our flow. Ah well, the unbeaten run continues.

Sat in Block 5 yesterday for the first time in years and was impressed with how quiet B1 is. Is that a new thing or has it been like that for ages? Usually go in the PRE.

[Fuller]

I thought they big lumps Bromley had were better than Bowman which is odd as I don't think either has played football league before and both are likely on considerably less wages. Cheek had great link play and the ball would stick to him.

How long is Bowman’s contract? Anyone know?

[CS85]

Bowman is on a one year deal,thankfully.

[RegencyCheltenhamSpa]

I thought they big lumps Bromley had were better than Bowman which is odd as I don't think either has played football league before and both are likely on considerably less wages. Cheek had great link play and the ball would stick to him.

Apparently our wage bill is £2.7m a year, compared to Bromley’s £2.4m. And our highest earner is Miller:

https://www.capology.com/club/cheltenham/salaries/

[Shade]

Going back to the Gurkhas, yes, they came on at half time. The scores were being read out by Jim Haggis and then he interrupted to mention they were now laying the wreathing, so that obviously hadn't been properly sorted out over the previous 45 minutes, as it should have been the first thing he said. And then the whole mess with the photographer. Then they were sent on a lap of the pitch, followed by 2 guys having a chat 10 metres behind them, who then realised 3 or 4 had headed down the tunnel and had to be called back out as that's not where they were supposed to be going. Shambolic effort from start to finish. I'm sure if the military personnel had been given any sort of instructions/run throughon when to do what and where to go, then it would have been fine.

Have to say, though, things weren't helped before the minutes silence by the crowd inexplicably beginning a minutes silence when the ref whistled to get the captains in for the coin toss, and before any PA announcement. Absolutely bizarre, which I think led to the ref blowing the whistle to actually start it sooner than he should have.

[Si Robin]

I agree - it was one of the strangest things I've ever seen. Could almost hear the conversation between the ref and captains at the coin toss from the back of the Colin Farmer due to it

[Jerry St Clair]

I was oblivious to all this. Finished my pint in the sports bar at about 2.55 and wandered in to the CF and as I started going up the steps became aware of a hush descending. Turned around to see the ref and captains chatting so stood, pretty self-consciously with everyone else, waiting for the minute to start.

Normally, my thoughts turn to my grandad who fought at Dunkirk and El Alamein, who fostered my love of football and took me to games, during these reflections. But it just all felt a bit awkward.

[everyman]

Going back to the Gurkhas, yes, they came on at half time. The scores were being read out by Jim Haggis and then he interrupted to mention they were now laying the wreathing, so that obviously hadn't been properly sorted out over the previous 45 minutes, as it should have been the first thing he said. And then the whole mess with the photographer. Then they were sent on a lap of the pitch, followed by 2 guys having a chat 10 metres behind them, who then realised 3 or 4 had headed down the tunnel and had to be called back out as that's not where they were supposed to be going. Shambolic effort from start to finish. I'm sure if the military personnel had been given any sort of instructions/run throughon when to do what and where to go, then it would have been fine.

Have to say, though, things weren't helped before the minutes silence by the crowd inexplicably beginning a minutes silence when the ref whistled to get the captains in for the coin toss, and before any PA announcement. Absolutely bizarre, which I think led to the ref blowing the whistle to actually start it sooner than he should have.

Jim Haggin likes a dram occasionally but really Haggis" is a bit over the limit.

[Shade]

bloody autocorrect!

[Ihearye]

Going back to the Gurkhas, yes, they came on at half time. The scores were being read out by Jim Haggis and then he interrupted to mention they were now laying the wreathing, so that obviously hadn't been properly sorted out over the previous 45 minutes, as it should have been the first thing he said. And then the whole mess with the photographer. Then they were sent on a lap of the pitch, followed by 2 guys having a chat 10 metres behind them, who then realised 3 or 4 had headed down the tunnel and had to be called back out as that's not where they were supposed to be going. Shambolic effort from start to finish. I'm sure if the military personnel had been given any sort of instructions/run throughon when to do what and where to go, then it would have been fine.

Have to say, though, things weren't helped before the minutes silence by the crowd inexplicably beginning a minutes silence when the ref whistled to get the captains in for the coin toss, and before any PA announcement. Absolutely bizarre, which I think led to the ref blowing the whistle to actually start it sooner than he should have.

It was more important that the mascots got their photo opportunity during the wreath laying. Says it all about the criticisms that have been levelled at the club as a whole - amateur, no communication, no planning. Schools I have attended in my role as a board member, have done a lot better as far as Remembrance services go.
They should be ashamed of themselves

[Fuller]

Extended highlights here including some of the moments just before kick off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JmHaGRTJAU

[asl]

That second yellow looked harsh!

[Ihearye]

That second yellow looked harsh!

Interesting. My general view on cards is that if you would have given it as a yellow to any other player (and I think pulling a player back once he has beaten you would be due cause), then the fact that it is somebody's second and will subsequently be a red. should not make any difference

[paperboy]

That second yellow looked harsh!

Softish, but heading towards penalty box.
If you're on a yellow don't give the ref an opportunity to give another one...naive.

I guess that was the Radio Kent commentary.

[longmover]

Going back to the Gurkhas, yes, they came on at half time. The scores were being read out by Jim Haggis and then he interrupted to mention they were now laying the wreathing, so that obviously hadn't been properly sorted out over the previous 45 minutes, as it should have been the first thing he said. And then the whole mess with the photographer. Then they were sent on a lap of the pitch, followed by 2 guys having a chat 10 metres behind them, who then realised 3 or 4 had headed down the tunnel and had to be called back out as that's not where they were supposed to be going. Shambolic effort from start to finish. I'm sure if the military personnel had been given any sort of instructions/run throughon when to do what and where to go, then it would have been fine.

Have to say, though, things weren't helped before the minutes silence by the crowd inexplicably beginning a minutes silence when the ref whistled to get the captains in for the coin toss, and before any PA announcement. Absolutely bizarre, which I think led to the ref blowing the whistle to actually start it sooner than he should have.

It was more important that the mascots got their photo opportunity during the wreath laying. Says it all about the criticisms that have been levelled at the club as a whole - amateur, no communication, no planning. Schools I have attended in my role as a board member, have done a lot better as far as Remembrance services go.
They should be ashamed of themselves

It's alright though as Bloxham has been rolled out to do a few interviews, he realises the club needs to "do better"

[Oldun]

The good thing is that it gives the moanees a new opportunity for a good moan at the club n the chance to whinge! Love it!!!

[Shade]

The good thing is that it gives the moanees a new opportunity for a good moan at the club n the chance to whinge! Love it!!!

Ballsing something up that should be the bare minimum is indeed the perfect chance to air concerns. If they can't get that right, it makes you wonder what else is being let slide.

[plymrob]

As there is seemingly some agitation...this is a Rembererance game memory from an away ground... Aylesbury-v-Chelt 12.11.88. Wreath laid, and then team specific coloured balloons laid... BUT then supporters running on. Hopefully, watching Cheltenham fans (well me and my brother) feared the worse from both ends... and a guy ran on and into the centre circle... But no stomping... Just shambolically worrying...

It can be hard to get the moment just right, but yes, it does need some preperation... I'm reading and thinking that I am peased I was not there for 'our' last effort... I have though heard some tuneless 'last posts' down the years too... and found that equally awkward...

[Fuller]

As there is seemingly some agitation...this is a Rembererance game memory from an away ground... Aylesbury-v-Chelt 12.11.88. Wreath laid, and then team specific coloured balloons laid... BUT then supporters running on. Hopefully, watching Cheltenham fans (well me and my brother) feared the worse from both ends... and a guy ran on and into the centre circle... But no stomping... Just shambolically worrying...

It can be hard to get the moment just right, but yes, it does need some preperation... I'm reading and thinking that I am peased I was not there for 'our' last effort... I have though heard some tuneless 'last posts' down the years too... and found that equally awkward...

I was at that game Plymrob and recall the incident well, but you got the date wrong.
The away game was at Aylesbury on 22nd April 1989, and it was after the Hillsborough deaths the week before. The whole incident was pathetic and cringeworthy and I had a right go at one of the local policemen for not stopping it sooner.

[Ihearye]

The good thing is that it gives the moanees a new opportunity for a good moan at the club n the chance to whinge! Love it!!!

On what was meant to be a dignified act of remembrance even you shouldn't be defending the indefensible. It was a total shambles at kick off and half time.

[plymrob]

Thanks for the correction Fuller. I did think my balloon memory for an 11.11 event seemed flawed.
The fact we both remember the moment though, suggests it was quite 'alarming' at the time... For me, clearly, it was memorable for the wrong reason...

[Jerry St Clair]

The good thing is that it gives the moanees a new opportunity for a good moan at the club n the chance to whinge! Love it!!!

On what was meant to be a dignified act of remembrance even you shouldn't be defending the indefensible. It was a total shambles at kick off and half time.

I actually think a big part of the problem is the relatively recent theatre that’s grown around Remembrance Day at football matches. The armed forces parades, poppies fluttering on big screens, wreath laying, Last Post playing. This has actually only started happening recently kids. It didn’t happen at all in the 90s and early 2000s.

I actually think it’s in danger of becoming a little tacky, garish and performative, especially in the Premier League where the elite clubs seem intent on out-Remembrancing each other.

I’d prefer a return to a simpler, humbler minutes silence.

[Ihearye]

The good thing is that it gives the moanees a new opportunity for a good moan at the club n the chance to whinge! Love it!!!

On what was meant to be a dignified act of remembrance even you shouldn't be defending the indefensible. It was a total shambles at kick off and half time.

I actually think a big part of the problem is the relatively recent theatre that’s grown around Remembrance Day at football matches. The armed forces parades, poppies fluttering on big screens, wreath laying, Last Post playing. This has actually only started happening recently kids. It didn’t happen at all in the 90s and early 2000s.

I actually think it’s in danger of becoming a little tacky, garish and performative, especially in the Premier League where the elite clubs seem intent on out-Remembrancing each other.

I’d prefer a return to a simpler, humbler minutes silence.

Like I said if you can't do it properly don't do it at all. Yep a minutes silence is the answer

[Si Robin]

The good thing is that it gives the moanees a new opportunity for a good moan at the club n the chance to whinge! Love it!!!

On what was meant to be a dignified act of remembrance even you shouldn't be defending the indefensible. It was a total shambles at kick off and half time.

I actually think a big part of the problem is the relatively recent theatre that’s grown around Remembrance Day at football matches. The armed forces parades, poppies fluttering on big screens, wreath laying, Last Post playing. This has actually only started happening recently kids. It didn’t happen at all in the 90s and early 2000s.

I actually think it’s in danger of becoming a little tacky, garish and performative, especially in the Premier League where the elite clubs seem intent on out-Remembrancing each other.

I’d prefer a return to a simpler, humbler minutes silence.

I completely agree.

If you haven't got people dressed as poppies, or poppies shaded into the pitch, do you even care about our fallen soldiers?

[Shade]

Absolutely. If you're not going to organise it properly, then just stick to the simple minutes silence.