Paul Baker

[longmover]

Paul Baker is now weighing in on FB

"oh look another Johnson signing being sold for a lot of money, adding to the very long list"

this is all getting very tacky now, MG needs to grab hold of all this and take control.

Baker still has some influence over the club with comments like this.

[andgarod]

he pulls Bloxham gowning strings
GTF

[Robin]

The current chairman is Paul Bakers best friend and his similar views as Paul when it comes to the DoF.

[Ihearye]

The new 'owner' needs to get this all to stop and stop quickly. Those on the board are going to have to realise pretty fast, that there was a reason we had to go looking for new investment. Also I would love to see that 'very long list' of players we have sold for 'a lot of money'.
Once again, we are told recruitment is the final responsibility of the manager, then PB says stuff like this which implies it has very little to do with the manager..
Or maybe the very long list of poor / average signings are the responsibility of the manager?

All very unseemly and as a wise man was heard to say, no way to run a professional football club. We will be getting grey stars on our shirts next

[longmover]

The new 'owner' needs to get this all to stop and stop quickly. Those on the board are going to have to realise pretty fast, that there was a reason we had to go looking for new investment. Also I would love to see that 'very long list' of players we have sold for 'a lot of money'.
Once again, we are told recruitment is the final responsibility of the manager, then PB says stuff like this which implies it has very little to do with the manager..
Or maybe the very long list of poor / average signings are the responsibility of the manager?

All very unseemly and as a wise man was heard to say, no way to run a professional football club. We will be getting grey stars on our shirts next

someone responded with a list of GJ 's 'money making' transfers since him becoming DOF, it doesn't read to well for him

[PittvillePundit]

This is very unwise from PB imo. Merely fans the flames further.

If you're going to laud your DOF on this basis you cannot simply cite one example. It reeks of recency bias (a sensible appraisal has to be based on the full body of work not a single - recent- situation) not to mention an apparent desperation to justify the appointment and/or continuation of tenure, If he's thought to be doing a good job there is simply no need to draw attention to it, It'll be clear.

[Ihearye]

I suspect Oldun is quietly seething and will erupt at any minute

[HamTown]

Based on rumour:

As manager it was Eisa (£900k) and Pell (£100k), maybe Billy Waters? (£55k).

As DoF Archer (£400k).

Not including the firesale at the start of last season.

[Ihearye]

Quite a long list then

[Artemis]

Why all the hoo-ha? Its no secret that our business model has been to take on rough diamonds, flog them on for a profit. Gary Johnson is simply delivering what he's been asked to deliver. If he is on a cut of the profits, so what, performance related pay is nothing new.

[Artemis]

Based on rumour:

As manager it was Eisa (£900k) and Pell (£100k), maybe Billy Waters? (£55k).

As DoF Archer (£400k).

Not including the firesale at the start of last season.

Archer's gone for £400K? Wow!

[Artemis]

This is very unwise from PB imo. Merely fans the flames further.

If you're going to laud your DOF on this basis you cannot simply cite one example. It reeks of recency bias (a sensible appraisal has to be based on the full body of work not a single - recent- situation) not to mention an apparent desperation to justify the appointment and/or continuation of tenure, If he's thought to be doing a good job there is simply no need to draw attention to it, It'll be clear.

Except generally, the fan base don't seem to think he is doing a good job, so there's very good reason to draw attention to his positive financial contribution to the club.

[Ihearye]

Why all the hoo-ha? Its no secret that our business model has been to take on rough diamonds, flog them on for a profit. Gary Johnson is simply delivering what he's been asked to deliver. If he is on a cut of the profits, so what, performance related pay is nothing new.

We just take the hit on the duds then? If we are talking performance related, then there should be some consequence for these surely?

[Warwickshire Robin]

Finding rough diamonds to sell on isn't his only remit though surely?! He has to build a competitive, balanced squad which we are miles away from. In three transfer windows he has built a squad that, other than Joe Day and maybe a couple of the youngsters, has no one under contract beyond the end of this season?!

[Artemis]

Why all the hoo-ha? Its no secret that our business model has been to take on rough diamonds, flog them on for a profit. Gary Johnson is simply delivering what he's been asked to deliver. If he is on a cut of the profits, so what, performance related pay is nothing new.

We just take the hit on the duds then? If we are talking performance related, then there should be some consequence for these surely?

What hit on those? Did we have to pay someone to take them off our hands?

[Ihearye]

Finding rough diamonds to sell on isn't his only remit though surely?! He has to build a competitive, balanced squad which we are miles away from. In three transfer windows he has built a squad that, other than Joe Day and maybe a couple of the youngsters, has no one under contract beyond the end of this season?!

Careful now

[Artemis]

Finding rough diamonds to sell on isn't his only remit though surely?! He has to build a competitive, balanced squad which we are miles away from. In three transfer windows he has built a squad that, other than Joe Day and maybe a couple of the youngsters, has no one under contract beyond the end of this season?!

No, I agree, his remit is Director of Football and should be wider than generating a profit from player sales. But Paul Baker's point is that another player than Johnson signed has been sold for a significant profit. Its not a commentary on his overall performance.

[Ihearye]

Why all the hoo-ha? Its no secret that our business model has been to take on rough diamonds, flog them on for a profit. Gary Johnson is simply delivering what he's been asked to deliver. If he is on a cut of the profits, so what, performance related pay is nothing new.

We just take the hit on the duds then? If we are talking performance related, then there should be some consequence for these surely?

What hit on those? Did we have to pay someone to take them off our hands?

Depends what your expectations of a person good at his job is. If you have to largely scrub most of the work paid for, then start all over again. I would argue that comes at a cost and does not portray someone performing well. Guess it is just expectations and what one person finds acceptable and the next doesn't

[Ihearye]

Finding rough diamonds to sell on isn't his only remit though surely?! He has to build a competitive, balanced squad which we are miles away from. In three transfer windows he has built a squad that, other than Joe Day and maybe a couple of the youngsters, has no one under contract beyond the end of this season?!

No, I agree, his remit is Director of Football and should be wider than generating a profit from player sales. But Paul Baker's point is that another player than Johnson signed has been sold for a significant profit. Its not a commentary on his overall performance.

actually it is, because it is a very long list. So it is a commentary on his overall performance.

[Artemis]

Finding rough diamonds to sell on isn't his only remit though surely?! He has to build a competitive, balanced squad which we are miles away from. In three transfer windows he has built a squad that, other than Joe Day and maybe a couple of the youngsters, has no one under contract beyond the end of this season?!

When a player gets sold, its usually moaning cos we've sold them too cheaply. When a player like Archer, with less than a season on his current contract goes for a rumoured £400K shouldn't we be celebrating that?

I'm no Johnson fanboy, I think he stayed on too long last time, and if JP is tweeting something is wrong, then there's definitely something wrong. But Paul Baker is correct - that's another players sold for a significant profit.

[Artemis]

Finding rough diamonds to sell on isn't his only remit though surely?! He has to build a competitive, balanced squad which we are miles away from. In three transfer windows he has built a squad that, other than Joe Day and maybe a couple of the youngsters, has no one under contract beyond the end of this season?!

No, I agree, his remit is Director of Football and should be wider than generating a profit from player sales. But Paul Baker's point is that another player than Johnson signed has been sold for a significant profit. Its not a commentary on his overall performance.

actually it is, because it is a very long list. So it is a commentary on his overall performance.

So you're complaining that our Director of Football has signed a lot players who have been sold for a profit? If so, your criticism isn't of Johnson, its of the board's strategy.

[Artemis]

We just take the hit on the duds then? If we are talking performance related, then there should be some consequence for these surely?

What hit on those? Did we have to pay someone to take them off our hands?

Depends what your expectations of a person good at his job is. If you have to largely scrub most of the work paid for, then start all over again. I would argue that comes at a cost and does not portray someone performing well. Guess it is just expectations and what one person finds acceptable and the next doesn't

Our business model is predicated on the development and sale of football players. Its not manufacturing - not every player that goes through the club turns out to specification. Some do well, some don't. Aiden Keena was a dud, but as you say, there is a long list that aren't
Do you think the academy staff need the boot because the vast majority of the young players they have through the system don't turn into first team regulars or get sold on?

[HamTown]

Archer seems great business but how much of that profit is going to be eaten in to from the wages of this massively bloated squad we have? Also not trying to duplicate the other thread but hes more likely than not to have a cut of that too.

[Lord Elpuz]

I get the feeling the ‘player recruitment and selling’ business model should have improved because of the new ownership. Previously, we had to sell our best players to survive. It may not be the case now, but reading between the lines, it is likely that someone has not done what was expected - most likely contract related, and therefore broken expectations and/or promises, which has left the club vulnerable now until January 2026.

Whatever the situation, now is the time to give full support to Michael Flynn and the Players we currently have.

Hutchinson and Sherring look like decent additions. The striker situation obviously went sour at the last minute, which seems to have prompted most of the current social media activity.

[Garby74]

'Sell our best players '
Or give them away?

[Garby74]

60k Street
Now worth a mil

[TheTownClub]

I hate to promote him because the man doesn't need any help letting you know how great he is, but Mickey Moore did a far better job in that respect than Gary and Pete Johnson.

[Jim]

I hate to promote him because the man doesn't need any help letting you know how great he is, but Mickey Moore did a far better job in that respect than Gary and Pete Johnson.

I agree. Looking back, MM fulfilled the role of Director of Football much much better than the current holder of that position...

[London Exile]

This is very unwise from PB imo. Merely fans the flames further.

If you're going to laud your DOF on this basis you cannot simply cite one example. It reeks of recency bias (a sensible appraisal has to be based on the full body of work not a single - recent- situation) not to mention an apparent desperation to justify the appointment and/or continuation of tenure, If he's thought to be doing a good job there is simply no need to draw attention to it, It'll be clear.

It’s even sillier when you hear about why GJ was so desperate to get rid of Street.
I seem to remember when Johnson was sacked before, Baker whined about it in the media. That decision didn’t turn out too bad then and it won’t this time either. Unfortunately divisive and toxic characters tend to create a divisive and toxic environment wherever they are. Those environments don’t tend to be successful

[Robin]

Based on rumour:

As manager it was Eisa (£900k) and Pell (£100k), maybe Billy Waters? (£55k).

As DoF Archer (£400k).

Not including the firesale at the start of last season.

Eisa went for over a million and I thought Pell was closer to £150k, Waters went on a free to Northampton.

[horlickfanclub]

Based on rumour:

As manager it was Eisa (£900k) and Pell (£100k), maybe Billy Waters? (£55k).

As DoF Archer (£400k).

Not including the firesale at the start of last season.

Eisa went for over a million and I thought Pell was closer to £150k, Waters went on a free to Northampton.

Not what was reported. " On 8 June 2017, Waters signed a three-year contract at Northampton Town after manager Justin Edinburgh authorised an undisclosed transfer fee to Cheltenham."

[Si Robin]

Billy Waters was a fee because of being under 24 when moving to Northampton at the end of his contract.

[Robin]

Thanks Si yes I recall him being out of contract but I thought he was 24 at the time. Now I vaguely rememeber it was around £50k but could be wrong.