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Tbh, I think it's our opponents style of play that doesn't suit Aiden- basically they're stronger and faster than him.Benhall-Robin wrote: ↑31 Jan 2024, 07:16 Lloyd is going to struggle to play with the level of intensity he's shown for the remainder of the season.
We need legs who can press and chase down things down, Keena is a goalscorer and our best finisher but his style does not suit the way we are trying to play.
Despite Lloyd not being peoples favourite,if he got injured we would lose our ablity to press effectively.Benhall-Robin wrote: ↑31 Jan 2024, 07:16 Lloyd is going to struggle to play with the level of intensity he's shown for the remainder of the season.
We need legs who can press and chase down things down, Keena is a goalscorer and our best finisher but his style does not suit the way we are trying to play.
If they are struggling to find a replacement for someone to come off the bench for 15 mins most matches, then things are tighthorlickfanclub wrote: ↑31 Jan 2024, 14:03 Maybe Forest Green are struggling to get a replacement. Derby are not having much luck either . Everyone is looking for the mythical striker.
For many of our supporters, using money we don't have or expect someone to gift the club.
How about having a club or not having a club?
^^this^^Si Robin wrote: ↑31 Jan 2024, 18:44How about having a club or not having a club?
The club needs to make money to stay afloat, that means selling our assets when offers that we consider reasonable come in.
We do not have a Dale Vince or Max Griggs pumping money in, we do not get home crowds of 27,000. We have to make money. The £400k for Goodwin was a good deal for the club - it's enabled DC to add to the midfield and has, potentially, given him more flexibility in making offers for forwards.
Ambition? Security is more important for me. I'd rather watch a solvent Cheltenham Town in League 2 than risk becoming another Bury or Macclesfield.
We will have to continue finding diamonds in the rough (Goodwin, Alfie), loaning exciting youngsters (Caleb Taylor, Callum Wright) or taking risks on players coming back from bad injuries (Thompson, Harrop). We are simply not going to have our pick. The sooner people realise this, the happier we will all be.
What these two said.Artemis wrote: ↑31 Jan 2024, 19:52^^this^^Si Robin wrote: ↑31 Jan 2024, 18:44How about having a club or not having a club?
The club needs to make money to stay afloat, that means selling our assets when offers that we consider reasonable come in.
We do not have a Dale Vince or Max Griggs pumping money in, we do not get home crowds of 27,000. We have to make money. The £400k for Goodwin was a good deal for the club - it's enabled DC to add to the midfield and has, potentially, given him more flexibility in making offers for forwards.
Ambition? Security is more important for me. I'd rather watch a solvent Cheltenham Town in League 2 than risk becoming another Bury or Macclesfield.
We will have to continue finding diamonds in the rough (Goodwin, Alfie), loaning exciting youngsters (Caleb Taylor, Callum Wright) or taking risks on players coming back from bad injuries (Thompson, Harrop). We are simply not going to have our pick. The sooner people realise this, the happier we will all be.
And to add, I don't want a Dale Vince or Max Griggs or any of those types. They have a habit of walking away eventually.
It's perfectly possible to grow this club. We were non league 30 years ago. But it will only happen through sustainable growth, e.g. incremental revenue streams. The change in caterers that has folks spending money at the club drinking is an example of this in action. Obvious next step has to be to increase revenues through development of the main stand. But I'm confident that our board won't gamble the very existence of club in getting one. it will be prudent risk averse investment. anyone who thinks the board don't want their club to play at the highest level possible needs to give their head a wobble...
That's not to say I'm an apologist for the board; it's taken them long enough to sort electronic ticketing and the catering, and the connection between the fans and club could be stronger, but overall I think our club is in safe hands.
No one is arguing that L1 isn't good for the club...it's how much the board are prepared to risk the future of the club to achieve it.Garby74 wrote: ↑31 Jan 2024, 21:41 Article from Bristol News May 2022.
Payments have increased significantly since....
League Two payments for each team are understood to be £472,000 per season from the EFL, plus £430,000 in solidarity payments from the Premier League.
In League One, teams receive £677,000 per season from the EFL and £645,000 from the Premier League.
League One reward
Combining the two payments, clubs in League Two receive £902,000 per season, while League One clubs receive £1.32million per season.
That represents a £420,000 gain for promoted clubs, despite the fact there is no upfront prize money
The main takeaway for me from this is that there’s a larger than usual incentive for clubs to try and gamble on promotion or avoiding relegation this year, more so than the past few years under the rolled-over TV deals1985CTFC wrote: ↑31 Jan 2024, 22:11 Dunno if this is correct but comes from The Athletic website. Payments for 24/25 season
Under the draft proposal, a non-parachute club that finishes 13th in the Championship in 2025-26 will receive £17.5million, £8.4million more than they will get this season from the EFL’s central distribution and Premier League solidarity. A mid-table League One team will receive £3.8million, £2.1million more than this season, with a League Two side getting £2.5million, £1.4million more.
Looks like 1.3million difference between lg1 and lg2 for 24/25 but don't quote me. All looks very complicated if you read article.
see below
https://theathletic.com/4957498/2023/10 ... -football/
25 years ago our average crowds were around 3300, and around 4500 during our first year in league one. If anything our crowds have flat lined pretty much and not showing incremental growth.Jerry St Clair wrote: ↑31 Jan 2024, 21:02What these two said.Artemis wrote: ↑31 Jan 2024, 19:52^^this^^Si Robin wrote: ↑31 Jan 2024, 18:44
How about having a club or not having a club?
The club needs to make money to stay afloat, that means selling our assets when offers that we consider reasonable come in.
We do not have a Dale Vince or Max Griggs pumping money in, we do not get home crowds of 27,000. We have to make money. The £400k for Goodwin was a good deal for the club - it's enabled DC to add to the midfield and has, potentially, given him more flexibility in making offers for forwards.
Ambition? Security is more important for me. I'd rather watch a solvent Cheltenham Town in League 2 than risk becoming another Bury or Macclesfield.
We will have to continue finding diamonds in the rough (Goodwin, Alfie), loaning exciting youngsters (Caleb Taylor, Callum Wright) or taking risks on players coming back from bad injuries (Thompson, Harrop). We are simply not going to have our pick. The sooner people realise this, the happier we will all be.
And to add, I don't want a Dale Vince or Max Griggs or any of those types. They have a habit of walking away eventually.
It's perfectly possible to grow this club. We were non league 30 years ago. But it will only happen through sustainable growth, e.g. incremental revenue streams. The change in caterers that has folks spending money at the club drinking is an example of this in action. Obvious next step has to be to increase revenues through development of the main stand. But I'm confident that our board won't gamble the very existence of club in getting one. it will be prudent risk averse investment. anyone who thinks the board don't want their club to play at the highest level possible needs to give their head a wobble...
That's not to say I'm an apologist for the board; it's taken them long enough to sort electronic ticketing and the catering, and the connection between the fans and club could be stronger, but overall I think our club is in safe hands.
Only addition for me is that sustained, incremental improvement will grow crowds. But it takes year, generations, for that to happen. We were getting <500 a game 40 years ago. We're now getting six times that. We started from an incredibly low base and it takes a long time for the love to filter down through families. But, slowly but surely, we'll keep adding numbers to the gate. And that in turn will grow revenue.
So you don't want the extra 1.3 million? That money will mean more to us than a team like Bolton or Portsmouth. They can splash that out on 1 player. We could get 3 or 4 players and still have change.
OK so take our time in the football league is there any evidence of incremental crowd increases? I would say no, apart from when the Colin Farmer was built and there were seats. I'm skeptical that crowds will grow over time, they will grow through better facilities and/or success on the pitch.Si Robin wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024, 09:59 25 years ago was, at the time, the most successful in the club's history - it's a bit disingenuous to use it as an example. The year before we struggled to get above 2,000 (a few outliers around Christmas and Easter). Two years before then we had 3 attendances above 1,000, all of which you'd consider derby matches at the time (Worcester, Newport and Gloucester).
He has returned to FGR on a permanent deal.Lord Elpuz wrote: ↑30 Jan 2024, 20:00 A Forest Green Rovers player that I always admired was Christian Doidge. Only 31. Currently at Hibernian. Current salary £2,400 pw.
I bet the overall trend is upward. Maybe someone with season-by-season stats could help. We are clearly artificially limited by the ticket sale ceiling we hit when the CF is sold out. But, if we keep being successful and playing in L1 our crowds will, slowly but surely grow as parents pass it on to their kids.Robin wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024, 10:34OK so take our time in the football league is there any evidence of incremental crowd increases? I would say no, apart from when the Colin Farmer was built and there were seats. I'm skeptical that crowds will grow over time, they will grow through better facilities and/or success on the pitch.Si Robin wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024, 09:59 25 years ago was, at the time, the most successful in the club's history - it's a bit disingenuous to use it as an example. The year before we struggled to get above 2,000 (a few outliers around Christmas and Easter). Two years before then we had 3 attendances above 1,000, all of which you'd consider derby matches at the time (Worcester, Newport and Gloucester).
Edit: My response above and original may have have read a little pointed it was not meant that way at all. More just highlightng we cannot just pick a point in time and should instead look at a comparable period.
