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Jon Palmer
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Involved on Tuesday night at Swindon Supermarine: https://bit.ly/TrialistSupermarine
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Lord Elpuz
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RegencyCheltenhamSpa
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Very interesting.
Could turn out to be the right side equivalent of Andy Robertson.
Could turn out to be the right side equivalent of Andy Robertson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyCWmpdjWAo
Few snippets of Liam Smith. Looks OK. Hopefully got that Scottish fire in his belly!!
Few snippets of Liam Smith. Looks OK. Hopefully got that Scottish fire in his belly!!
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Jerry St Clair
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Will Boyle played for Scotland u18s. Qualified through his dad.
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horlickfanclub
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Keena might have put in a word for Smith from his time in Scotland.
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Broadway Brian
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He did well although didn’t see as much ball as he could/should have.
I hear Accrington had a trialist that scored a hat trick last night - could we grab him from under their noses?!!!
I hear Accrington had a trialist that scored a hat trick last night - could we grab him from under their noses?!!!
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horlickfanclub
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If its not the opposition it will be one of our players Robin belittles . The season is yet to start but the negativity is there. Oh well,the sun is out but it could be closer to earth.
My Cousin is a Dundee Utd season ticket holder and he tells me that we are fortunate to have Liam.1985CTFC wrote: ↑10 Jul 2023, 16:52 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyCWmpdjWAo
Few snippets of Liam Smith. Looks OK. Hopefully got that Scottish fire in his belly!!
He says Liam is rated highly among the DU fans and he should do well for us.
Sounds promising. Anyone here see him at Swindon first hand?Alf wrote: ↑12 Jul 2023, 13:08My Cousin is a Dundee Utd season ticket holder and he tells me that we are fortunate to have Liam.1985CTFC wrote: ↑10 Jul 2023, 16:52 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyCWmpdjWAo
Few snippets of Liam Smith. Looks OK. Hopefully got that Scottish fire in his belly!!
He says Liam is rated highly among the DU fans and he should do well for us.
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Broadway Brian
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Yup. Seemed very comfortable and knows the role from an attacking perspective but not tested defensively and so hard to tell against such weak oppo.1985CTFC wrote: ↑12 Jul 2023, 16:27Sounds promising. Anyone here see him at Swindon first hand?Alf wrote: ↑12 Jul 2023, 13:08My Cousin is a Dundee Utd season ticket holder and he tells me that we are fortunate to have Liam.1985CTFC wrote: ↑10 Jul 2023, 16:52 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyCWmpdjWAo
Few snippets of Liam Smith. Looks OK. Hopefully got that Scottish fire in his belly!!
He says Liam is rated highly among the DU fans and he should do well for us.
I always find it weird effectively watching someone’s job interview.
Also difficult to know what’s the manager is looking for. I thought Dennis Gyamfi really impressed this time last year but we didn’t sign him.
Who Smith? Not too sure about that Wade said he drove down from Scotland for a trial so I'd imagine he's clearly here looking for a contract with us otherwise if it were fitness he'd surely just stay north of the border.
The question for me is he good enough for the step up, played for a team relegated out of the SPL, in terms of quality is that league one standard? Remember Forster and Graham were decent in the Scottish Championship but struggled in league two. Also are we looking at him as a first choice or cover for a loanee coming into that position?
The problem is friendly games against Evesham and Swindon Supermarine is not really an acid test of whether he can make the grade in league one. We are reliant upon what Wade sees in three or maybe four training sessions.
tbf to Graham he never got a proper chance under Johnson and quite rightly left as a result, when he did play he showed some decent touches and took his goals well, with a run he would have more than coped in league 2. Forster liked the physical side of league two but struggled with the pace.Robin wrote: ↑13 Jul 2023, 07:24Who Smith? Not too sure about that Wade said he drove down from Scotland for a trial so I'd imagine he's clearly here looking for a contract with us otherwise if it were fitness he'd surely just stay north of the border.
The question for me is he good enough for the step up, played for a team relegated out of the SPL, in terms of quality is that league one standard? Remember Forster and Graham were decent in the Scottish Championship but struggled in league two. Also are we looking at him as a first choice or cover for a loanee coming into that position?
The problem is friendly games against Evesham and Swindon Supermarine is not really an acid test of whether he can make the grade in league one. We are reliant upon what Wade sees in three or maybe four training sessions.
Bit of a giant leap to say just because a team got relegated the players are questioned about their suitability for league 1. So if the had clung on on the SP then they were? Also don't know that it is fair to judge a player by his team rather than himself. We have had some playing in league one that were league two standardRobin wrote: ↑13 Jul 2023, 07:24Who Smith? Not too sure about that Wade said he drove down from Scotland for a trial so I'd imagine he's clearly here looking for a contract with us otherwise if it were fitness he'd surely just stay north of the border.
The question for me is he good enough for the step up, played for a team relegated out of the SPL, in terms of quality is that league one standard? Remember Forster and Graham were decent in the Scottish Championship but struggled in league two. Also are we looking at him as a first choice or cover for a loanee coming into that position?
The problem is friendly games against Evesham and Swindon Supermarine is not really an acid test of whether he can make the grade in league one. We are reliant upon what Wade sees in three or maybe four training sessions.
And apart from that, running down football north of Hadrians wall is RCS job
Just for clarity I have no idea of how good Smith is but he was part of a team that would likely struggle in league one. That to me means it's fair to question whether he is up to the standard. Of course he may be as we saw with Jackson last season who was relegated in a pretty dire Gillingham team.
My point would be that as soon as a team is relegated ,the vultures circle to pick up the players they wantRobin wrote: ↑13 Jul 2023, 10:14 Just for clarity I have no idea of how good Smith is but he was part of a team that would likely struggle in league one. That to me means it's fair to question whether he is up to the standard. Of course he may be as we saw with Jackson last season who was relegated in a pretty dire Gillingham team.
Vultures are known for their intelligence.Ihearye wrote: ↑13 Jul 2023, 10:49My point would be that as soon as a team is relegated ,the vultures circle to pick up the players they wantRobin wrote: ↑13 Jul 2023, 10:14 Just for clarity I have no idea of how good Smith is but he was part of a team that would likely struggle in league one. That to me means it's fair to question whether he is up to the standard. Of course he may be as we saw with Jackson last season who was relegated in a pretty dire Gillingham team.
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RegencyCheltenhamSpa
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Absolutely.Ihearye wrote: ↑13 Jul 2023, 10:49My point would be that as soon as a team is relegated ,the vultures circle to pick up the players they wantRobin wrote: ↑13 Jul 2023, 10:14 Just for clarity I have no idea of how good Smith is but he was part of a team that would likely struggle in league one. That to me means it's fair to question whether he is up to the standard. Of course he may be as we saw with Jackson last season who was relegated in a pretty dire Gillingham team.
A case in point is Leicester got relegated and then Spurs bought Madison for £40million.
Re earlier comments….plenty of good football north of Hadrian’s Wall….Blyth and Morpeth the pick of the bunch imo.
Although Dundee got relegated they had season /seasons in Scot Prem. Smith played in Scot Prem. Also scored against Rangers. One article had him berating the players saying performances were not good enough. So no shrinking violet. Sounds a straight talking committed individual to me from what I've read about him.Ihearye wrote: ↑13 Jul 2023, 09:30Bit of a giant leap to say just because a team got relegated the players are questioned about their suitability for league 1. So if the had clung on on the SP then they were? Also don't know that it is fair to judge a player by his team rather than himself. We have had some playing in league one that were league two standardRobin wrote: ↑13 Jul 2023, 07:24Who Smith? Not too sure about that Wade said he drove down from Scotland for a trial so I'd imagine he's clearly here looking for a contract with us otherwise if it were fitness he'd surely just stay north of the border.
The question for me is he good enough for the step up, played for a team relegated out of the SPL, in terms of quality is that league one standard? Remember Forster and Graham were decent in the Scottish Championship but struggled in league two. Also are we looking at him as a first choice or cover for a loanee coming into that position?
The problem is friendly games against Evesham and Swindon Supermarine is not really an acid test of whether he can make the grade in league one. We are reliant upon what Wade sees in three or maybe four training sessions.
And apart from that, running down football north of Hadrians wall is RCS job
Who knows what went wrong at Dundee. Manager probs ?
I don't think it is a case of stepping up/down but is his character what we need and whether his fitness is OK. Has had injury issues, but hopefully they are behind him.
Well I'm going to see them all at Weston so will see what he is like. We need a RWB quite soon. Time ticking.
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RegencyCheltenhamSpa
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Wade and Russ aren’t going to make decisions based on games against Evesham and Supermarine.Robin wrote: ↑13 Jul 2023, 07:24Who Smith? Not too sure about that Wade said he drove down from Scotland for a trial so I'd imagine he's clearly here looking for a contract with us otherwise if it were fitness he'd surely just stay north of the border.
The question for me is he good enough for the step up, played for a team relegated out of the SPL, in terms of quality is that league one standard? Remember Forster and Graham were decent in the Scottish Championship but struggled in league two. Also are we looking at him as a first choice or cover for a loanee coming into that position?
The problem is friendly games against Evesham and Swindon Supermarine is not really an acid test of whether he can make the grade in league one. We are reliant upon what Wade sees in three or maybe four training sessions.
There are two important things about being here on trial.
1) Quantitative data collection. Our players wear the gps and heart rate vests in training and matches. So we will be able to see whether he has the fitness needed. E.g. if when making the same runs as other players his heart rate is much higher it shows he isn’t yet fit enough for the way we play in L1. We can assess speed and stamina etc to see if his numbers are at the level needed.
2) Qualitative data collection. How does his understanding of tactics and positioning seem when Wade speaks to him. Will he be adaptable to the role we need him to play. Does his character seem a good fit for our dressing room. Does he understand and buy into the Cheltenham thing. Etc.